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	<title>Comments on: Estimating testing using spreadsheets</title>
	<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138</link>
	<description>What I think about...</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Osman</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Osman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-520</guid>
		<description>Hi Mike,

Great article! I've found estimation to be a tricky business because there are so many *what ifs*. One company i worked fort used a simple spreadsheet for test estimation and insisted on using an *industry standard* 6 hours per day (i was sceptical of this figure as i haven't found any reference in relation to it) to calculate estimation. When i think back to it, i don't think we were even *close* to the estimate when testing finished (i know its an estimate but even a ballpark figure would've been more useful!. Often when the *estimate* was *calculated*, we were *held* to this timeframe which led to testers overly inflating testing effort just to be safe (sure you build some fat in but....). Another place wanted an *exact estimate* for each individual test case (100+ test cases) - the rebellion rose pretty quickly and the PM only just managed to avoid a coup d'etat! And yet others are not really interested and just plough ahead.
When i'm asked to estimate i tend to rely on my gut feel and then i remind myself that an estimate is exactly that! Thanks for the blog - have fun at CAST2008!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Great article! I&#8217;ve found estimation to be a tricky business because there are so many *what ifs*. One company i worked fort used a simple spreadsheet for test estimation and insisted on using an *industry standard* 6 hours per day (i was sceptical of this figure as i haven&#8217;t found any reference in relation to it) to calculate estimation. When i think back to it, i don&#8217;t think we were even *close* to the estimate when testing finished (i know its an estimate but even a ballpark figure would&#8217;ve been more useful!. Often when the *estimate* was *calculated*, we were *held* to this timeframe which led to testers overly inflating testing effort just to be safe (sure you build some fat in but&#8230;.). Another place wanted an *exact estimate* for each individual test case (100+ test cases) - the rebellion rose pretty quickly and the PM only just managed to avoid a coup d&#8217;etat! And yet others are not really interested and just plough ahead.<br />
When i&#8217;m asked to estimate i tend to rely on my gut feel and then i remind myself that an estimate is exactly that! Thanks for the blog - have fun at CAST2008!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-487</guid>
		<description>Amit, 

The point of the article was that I don't recommend using templates for estimation. Instead, I provide an example of how I might approach estimation for a project and I walk through the steps that I take. 

If you find that you've been repeatedly estimating the same type of project, then you may find that you'll save time with a template. I've found that I've rarely had two projects that were so similar that I would be able to reuse much documentation from the previous project. 

Thanks,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit, </p>
<p>The point of the article was that I don&#8217;t recommend using templates for estimation. Instead, I provide an example of how I might approach estimation for a project and I walk through the steps that I take. </p>
<p>If you find that you&#8217;ve been repeatedly estimating the same type of project, then you may find that you&#8217;ll save time with a template. I&#8217;ve found that I&#8217;ve rarely had two projects that were so similar that I would be able to reuse much documentation from the previous project. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Bhutani</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit Bhutani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-486</guid>
		<description>Hi, this is a nice article, but it's not complete unless one gets the chance to use this template. I arrived at this page after doing a regress search, but was disappointed as it's dosn't gave me help in terms of some artefacts. If it is possible for you to mail template to me on my above email id, it would be great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is a nice article, but it&#8217;s not complete unless one gets the chance to use this template. I arrived at this page after doing a regress search, but was disappointed as it&#8217;s dosn&#8217;t gave me help in terms of some artefacts. If it is possible for you to mail template to me on my above email id, it would be great!</p>
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		<title>By: TesterQA</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>TesterQA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-135</guid>
		<description>excellent article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent article</p>
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