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	<title>Comments for Mike Kelly's blog</title>
	<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Market context by Jonathan Kohl</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/171#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/171#comment-522</guid>
		<description>I came up with MUTII to deal with user considerations in a business environment.
http://www.methodsandtools.com/archive/archive.php?id=65

Market—The targeted constituency of users this software is intended for. For example, "the finance department", or "medium sized accounting firms".

Users—The actual users who will use the software. Who are the users? What do they do? What are their motivations for using our software?

Tasks—What are the tasks that the users will use this software for? What are some typical tasks in their work?

Information—What does the product tell me about the tasks it automates, and how I can perform them?

Implementation—Is the software easy to use as a first time user? Is it reliable? Can I easily implement the tasks given the information and design of the product?
Under "Market", I want to know:
- what are we promising?
- do we have written agreements?
- what do our users expect?
- what tasks do they perform?
- how does our software help them address that?
- what are our competitors doing?
- how do similar products address automation in this space?
- what are our sales targets?
and on and on... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came up with MUTII to deal with user considerations in a business environment.<br />
<a href="http://www.methodsandtools.com/archive/archive.php?id=65" rel="nofollow">http://www.methodsandtools.com/archive/archive.php?id=65</a></p>
<p>Market—The targeted constituency of users this software is intended for. For example, &#8220;the finance department&#8221;, or &#8220;medium sized accounting firms&#8221;.</p>
<p>Users—The actual users who will use the software. Who are the users? What do they do? What are their motivations for using our software?</p>
<p>Tasks—What are the tasks that the users will use this software for? What are some typical tasks in their work?</p>
<p>Information—What does the product tell me about the tasks it automates, and how I can perform them?</p>
<p>Implementation—Is the software easy to use as a first time user? Is it reliable? Can I easily implement the tasks given the information and design of the product?<br />
Under &#8220;Market&#8221;, I want to know:<br />
- what are we promising?<br />
- do we have written agreements?<br />
- what do our users expect?<br />
- what tasks do they perform?<br />
- how does our software help them address that?<br />
- what are our competitors doing?<br />
- how do similar products address automation in this space?<br />
- what are our sales targets?<br />
and on and on&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Estimating testing using spreadsheets by Brian Osman</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Osman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-520</guid>
		<description>Hi Mike,

Great article! I've found estimation to be a tricky business because there are so many *what ifs*. One company i worked fort used a simple spreadsheet for test estimation and insisted on using an *industry standard* 6 hours per day (i was sceptical of this figure as i haven't found any reference in relation to it) to calculate estimation. When i think back to it, i don't think we were even *close* to the estimate when testing finished (i know its an estimate but even a ballpark figure would've been more useful!. Often when the *estimate* was *calculated*, we were *held* to this timeframe which led to testers overly inflating testing effort just to be safe (sure you build some fat in but....). Another place wanted an *exact estimate* for each individual test case (100+ test cases) - the rebellion rose pretty quickly and the PM only just managed to avoid a coup d'etat! And yet others are not really interested and just plough ahead.
When i'm asked to estimate i tend to rely on my gut feel and then i remind myself that an estimate is exactly that! Thanks for the blog - have fun at CAST2008!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Great article! I&#8217;ve found estimation to be a tricky business because there are so many *what ifs*. One company i worked fort used a simple spreadsheet for test estimation and insisted on using an *industry standard* 6 hours per day (i was sceptical of this figure as i haven&#8217;t found any reference in relation to it) to calculate estimation. When i think back to it, i don&#8217;t think we were even *close* to the estimate when testing finished (i know its an estimate but even a ballpark figure would&#8217;ve been more useful!. Often when the *estimate* was *calculated*, we were *held* to this timeframe which led to testers overly inflating testing effort just to be safe (sure you build some fat in but&#8230;.). Another place wanted an *exact estimate* for each individual test case (100+ test cases) - the rebellion rose pretty quickly and the PM only just managed to avoid a coup d&#8217;etat! And yet others are not really interested and just plough ahead.<br />
When i&#8217;m asked to estimate i tend to rely on my gut feel and then i remind myself that an estimate is exactly that! Thanks for the blog - have fun at CAST2008!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black-Box song by Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/166#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/166#comment-516</guid>
		<description>Ha! Thanks for pointing this out, Mike. Loved it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Thanks for pointing this out, Mike. Loved it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black-Box song by Geordie Keitt</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/166#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>Geordie Keitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/166#comment-515</guid>
		<description>Why, you are very welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, you are very welcome!</p>
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		<title>Comment on SOAP request with Ruby by Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/41#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/41#comment-514</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the example! It helped out a lot. I've not a lot of soap programming experience and this example was great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the example! It helped out a lot. I&#8217;ve not a lot of soap programming experience and this example was great!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;5 or 6 bullet points for a performance tester&#8230;&#8221; by Olga</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/71#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Olga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/71#comment-513</guid>
		<description>p.s. This is just to share a funny story happened once we were planning a performance testing scenarios. While selecting good test cases to be included into scenarios (to load the Web server, the db, the ping potential bottleneck etc.) we got a proposition to run all the combinations rather than to spend time and efforts for planning the strategy. A brief reference to combinatorics showed that all combinations would take 2.5 years of continuous run. This reminded me a note once read in a similar conversation on good performance tester skills: besides good knowledge of protocols (which is very true) a perfarmance tester should be a chess player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. This is just to share a funny story happened once we were planning a performance testing scenarios. While selecting good test cases to be included into scenarios (to load the Web server, the db, the ping potential bottleneck etc.) we got a proposition to run all the combinations rather than to spend time and efforts for planning the strategy. A brief reference to combinatorics showed that all combinations would take 2.5 years of continuous run. This reminded me a note once read in a similar conversation on good performance tester skills: besides good knowledge of protocols (which is very true) a perfarmance tester should be a chess player.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Estimating testing using spreadsheets by Mike Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-487</guid>
		<description>Amit, 

The point of the article was that I don't recommend using templates for estimation. Instead, I provide an example of how I might approach estimation for a project and I walk through the steps that I take. 

If you find that you've been repeatedly estimating the same type of project, then you may find that you'll save time with a template. I've found that I've rarely had two projects that were so similar that I would be able to reuse much documentation from the previous project. 

Thanks,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit, </p>
<p>The point of the article was that I don&#8217;t recommend using templates for estimation. Instead, I provide an example of how I might approach estimation for a project and I walk through the steps that I take. </p>
<p>If you find that you&#8217;ve been repeatedly estimating the same type of project, then you may find that you&#8217;ll save time with a template. I&#8217;ve found that I&#8217;ve rarely had two projects that were so similar that I would be able to reuse much documentation from the previous project. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Estimating testing using spreadsheets by Amit Bhutani</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit Bhutani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/138#comment-486</guid>
		<description>Hi, this is a nice article, but it's not complete unless one gets the chance to use this template. I arrived at this page after doing a regress search, but was disappointed as it's dosn't gave me help in terms of some artefacts. If it is possible for you to mail template to me on my above email id, it would be great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is a nice article, but it&#8217;s not complete unless one gets the chance to use this template. I arrived at this page after doing a regress search, but was disappointed as it&#8217;s dosn&#8217;t gave me help in terms of some artefacts. If it is possible for you to mail template to me on my above email id, it would be great!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;5 or 6 bullet points for a performance tester&#8230;&#8221; by Mike Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/71#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/71#comment-251</guid>
		<description>Charlie, 

Thanks for the comment. You got me thinking with that one. I'm wondering why that wasn't included in my original list; because I too feel that it's important. 

After thinking about it I think I don't /explicitly/ look for methodology because I find I have to train (or untrain and retrain) most performance tester to use my methodology regardless of whom I hire. I just assume that we will need to spend time talking methodology and theory. All I want to know is that they know the basics (math, modeling, infrastructure, coding, etc...) so that we don't get bogged down in those details. 

But your point is well taken. I too think it's important. And I certainly would and do ask potential candidates about what methodology they use. 

Thanks,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, </p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. You got me thinking with that one. I&#8217;m wondering why that wasn&#8217;t included in my original list; because I too feel that it&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>After thinking about it I think I don&#8217;t /explicitly/ look for methodology because I find I have to train (or untrain and retrain) most performance tester to use my methodology regardless of whom I hire. I just assume that we will need to spend time talking methodology and theory. All I want to know is that they know the basics (math, modeling, infrastructure, coding, etc&#8230;) so that we don&#8217;t get bogged down in those details. </p>
<p>But your point is well taken. I too think it&#8217;s important. And I certainly would and do ask potential candidates about what methodology they use. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;&#8230;5 or 6 bullet points for a performance tester&#8230;&#8221; by Charlie Weiblen</title>
		<link>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/71#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Weiblen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.MichaelDKelly.com/blog/archives/71#comment-250</guid>
		<description>I generally agree with your list above, but I think you left out a big one that I always ask: 
° Can they describe their performance testing methodology?
A minimum requirement for someone of intermediate level is to be able to describe what activities they do from start to finish - requirements to reporting

To me, knowledge of performance testing methodology is more important than knowledge of specific or preferred tools.  I assume that if the candidate has half a brain, that he/she can learn any tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree with your list above, but I think you left out a big one that I always ask:<br />
° Can they describe their performance testing methodology?<br />
A minimum requirement for someone of intermediate level is to be able to describe what activities they do from start to finish - requirements to reporting</p>
<p>To me, knowledge of performance testing methodology is more important than knowledge of specific or preferred tools.  I assume that if the candidate has half a brain, that he/she can learn any tool.</p>
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